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explore

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the bazaar your e-ticket ride into the

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world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe

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exploring the unexplained ufos

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ghosts lost worlds cryptozoology

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as well as other dimensions

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now your electrifying hosts of exploring

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the bazaar

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timothy beckley and tim schwartz

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what are we doing out here in the middle

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of all these windmills

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they're they're getting me a bit dizzy

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round

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we're out here doing

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scientific research what else do we do

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uh there's been a number of cases you

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know where

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ufos seem to be attracted to windmills

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and wind turbines

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uh there's a case from 1897. now i know

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that's going back a long time ago and

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you and i were just a little a country

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bumpkins then but

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we're going to discuss this case uh

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tonight it's a case where

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a cigar-shaped object dove into a

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windmill

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on judge proctor's ranch killing the

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human and humanoid occupant oh yeah

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little

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fellow yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a

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famous uh that's a

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really famous case someone even stole

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his grave marker

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and the government may have snatched the

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dead body away in the middle

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of the night yep you got it you got it

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all right and there's another

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case in england in recent years where

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crafts of some sort

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twisted the blade of a wind turbine into

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what looked like a

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pretzel and there were ufo sightings

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around at the time and it made the front

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page of one of the tabloids over there

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huh okay do you think that might happen

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well uh we're

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here right now in this uh field with

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windmills

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oh anything is impos is possible on

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exploring the

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bazaar hey i i think i see a bright

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light coming toward us from the horizon

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what what do you think we should do okay

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okay my best bet is that we

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get out of here and uh before we become

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a dust in the wind you never know what

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those crazy ass saucer pilots

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are capable of well

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that does all right all right well there

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enough of a wind current to get us back

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to the kcr

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studios in vegas so follow me we need to

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get away from that light before it gets

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any closer anyway

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i think it's about ready to crash into

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one of these uh

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wind turbines uh just about right now

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okay this is not the brightest thing

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we've ever done

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well that was some breeze man there was

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there's always a breeze of one kind or

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oh i swear i swear i i'm i'm exhausted

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i'm exhausted uh

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from that little uh trip to say the

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but uh we're safely we're safely home

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i think aren't we yeah i think i saw i

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think i saw tina as we crashed through

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one of these days she's going to make us

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pay for all the damage we keep doing

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yeah you know but hey we boost the

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so what's what's a little what's what's

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a couple of co-hosts anyway

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enough jibber jabbering here and we want

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a program tonight because we have a very

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to conquer to talk about and i've got a

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very interesting

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synchronicity that maybe somebody can

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answer i need answers so why don't you

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tell us who we will be speaking with

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be my uh be my pleasure tim well we have

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a return visit

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uh from uh uh carrie trent haggard

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now uh carrie is a devoted antique car

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collector

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judge and restorer for the better part

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of 25 years

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now uh carrie is the founder writer and

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of wheels of the past productions based

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in beaver falls pennsylvania kerry is a

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longtime enthusiast of classic horror

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and he became interested in the story

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in april 1897 a ufo crashed into a

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outside of aurora texas the aurora texas

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ufo crash

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fascinated carrie because of his own

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as a kid seeing a ufo land in his

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now taking that passion along with his

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john cochran they spent the next several

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working to form an outline for a

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based on the fictional hunt for the

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extraterrestrial buried

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in the aurora cemetery well from there

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grew into the novel traveler now carrie

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has also contributed a chapter

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for his mention in the new book alien

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it's quite it's quite a long uh the

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story he's got a

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quite a big section of the chapter yeah

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uh but uh in in the the new book alien

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lives matter it's okay to be gray

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published by yes who timothy green

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global communications whoa

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thank you tim and thank you for again

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ken welcome to the uh

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show glad to have you back uh black

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back on uh just before we start though i

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i did want to mention something you know

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uh how i recently decided to get back in

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contact with you because

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i had a renewed interest in the uh

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aurora

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uh crash there i was doing research for

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the book because we have a whole section

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uh alien bodies and this was certainly

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the first cases where uh a ufo crash

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um uh you know took place

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sir i was gonna say a loan survivor but

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he didn't survive very long if he

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survived at all was

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was found okay i was doing a little bit

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of research on this

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and of course almost everybody knows

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that the crash took place on

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judge proctor's ranch in aurora texas in

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significance in synchronicities

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well do you know that along with uh

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mac brazil the gentleman who's uh wreck

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who found the wreckage on his

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ranch there outside of roswell he was

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a young teenage boy by the name of

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don proctor now i want to know is there

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chance and hell that

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the don proctor there at the roswell

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may have been related to judge proctor i

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because we have all sorts of

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synchronicities and coincidences

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that take a place in ufology that are

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and circumstance would you happen to

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know anything about that ken does that

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ring a bell with you

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oh no no no it

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didn't ring it didn't do not to me it

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up for people who are not uh familiar

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background on what happened in that

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it was like uh six o'clock in the

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was a little dust bowl town that

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had suffered a lot of a lot of

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trauma they had a fire that burned down

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the railroad had bypassed them and it

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year so they just had all kinds of

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folks awoke to a loud crash

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and a a a single extraterrestrial craft

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had lost control slammed

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craft and the water tower both

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exploded so so just at sunrise they all

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what has happened uh of course there was

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in the newspaper the very next day they

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found the alien they found the

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remnants of the crash and the alien was

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for anybody uh of high profile and they

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made him his own little coffin

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they put him on display on the boardwalk

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for the afternoon and they buried him in

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their local cemetery the next day

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and that more or less uh is the jest of

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now what what did the cred is there any

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of what the craft may have looked like

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it's reported in the newspaper it was a

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shaped object so it was a it was

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uh one of the one of the ones that are

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longer rather than one of the ones that

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it said uh they called it a cigar-shaped

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object so uh you know we would have to

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think it was an oblong

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craft now of course there's been a lot

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of sightings of a

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cigar-shaped object i'm i'm thinking of

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another one that was taken

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of course in more recent years by

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carol wayne watts in

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in texas uh he was driving back to his

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ranch or property and saw this object in

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photographs or at least he claimed that

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beings that were or being that was on

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board the ship now

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what did the aurora alien supposedly

289
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look like

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uh small large eyes

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tiny openings for ears uh

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very small nose your typical gray

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would you say about how tall uh four to

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five feet

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from the from the descriptions they

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didn't say that exactly but from what

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yeah

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they called him a small traveler

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um and wearing a bright metallic

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that's the title of your book right

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traveler traveler

302
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yeah yeah well okay well now i see where

303
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you got the uh the title

304
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did anybody uh well obviously somebody

305
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touched the uh

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the uh alien or the being or

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whatever he might have been because they

308
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had to put him in a coffin to bury him

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is there any description as to what the

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uh

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that of the skin texture um

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uh didn't didn't didn't i've never found

313
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anything that they said the

314
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the skin texture other than uh maybe

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scaly

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i did see somewhere where it was uh uh

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they they they claimed it was a little

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on the scaly side

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and he was wearing a silver uh silver

320
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one-piece outfit uh very similar in uh

321
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color and structure to the outside of

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his craft

323
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now now you say the alien was put on

324
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display on the broad walk

325
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are are we talking that aurora is near a

326
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beach or is that just the term you're

327
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using

328
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uh that's no the boardwalk uh this is an

329
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old west town

330
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so back then when the outlaws would come

331
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into town and get

332
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shot uh they would hang a little sign on

333
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them and put them

334
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on the uh the little uh when i say

335
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boardwalk i just mean

336
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the front porches of the buildings

337
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because they were all in a row yeah

338
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well i'm showing my uh uh uh texas

339
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ignorance but

340
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yes i i know i know what you uh mean it

341
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it kind of kept the mud

342
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away from the uh yeah the the

343
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establishments yeah if you went into a

344
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one of the saloons um

345
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or into the uh bank or something you

346
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have something to uh click your feet on

347
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i would guess uh yeah no well okay so

348
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how seriously do you take this i mean

349
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you you've done a lot of research into

350
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it

351
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a a better than 50 50 chance that this

352
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actually took place

353
00:14:05,829 --> 00:14:03,440
well you know uh it's funny because uh

354
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before when i was doing all my research

355
00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:07,120
for traveler

356
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uh before he passed on i had a

357
00:14:14,790 --> 00:14:12,560
i had a couple of conversations with jim

358
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mars and i guess jim mars probably

359
00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:15,519
didn't

360
00:14:20,949 --> 00:14:18,480
probably did more research and knew more

361
00:14:21,829 --> 00:14:20,959
about the aurora crash than anyone out

362
00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:21,839
there

363
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and uh when i told him what i was doing

364
00:14:27,829 --> 00:14:25,360
he was tickled to

365
00:14:29,990 --> 00:14:27,839
particularly hear that somebody was

366
00:14:32,230 --> 00:14:30,000
making some noise about the aurora

367
00:14:34,310 --> 00:14:32,240
crash because you know it's it's it's

368
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like the forgotten one

369
00:14:42,389 --> 00:14:39,199
and um and uh and he told me

370
00:14:45,189 --> 00:14:42,399
that in the last conversation we had

371
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that uh it had come to light somebody

372
00:14:49,350 --> 00:14:45,519
had

373
00:14:49,829 --> 00:14:49,360
contacted him recently uh that their

374
00:14:56,710 --> 00:14:49,839
great

375
00:14:59,750 --> 00:14:56,720
it along or something

376
00:15:02,790 --> 00:14:59,760
uh a photograph of

377
00:15:05,189 --> 00:15:02,800
the alien in on the boardwalk and like

378
00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:05,199
the sheriff's on one side and

379
00:15:08,790 --> 00:15:07,600
the undertaker's on the other side and

380
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there's a couple of girls in the

381
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background and a dog in the front

382
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and uh it was it was one of those tin

383
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type photographs that

384
00:15:22,550 --> 00:15:19,199
yes yes etched on metal plate or glass

385
00:15:25,189 --> 00:15:22,560
or something yeah yeah somebody had

386
00:15:27,030 --> 00:15:25,199
contacted him and knew enough about it

387
00:15:29,030 --> 00:15:27,040
where it peaked his interest where he

388
00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:29,040
thought it may be a real deal

389
00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:33,120
and he was on the trail of trying to

390
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:34,000
track this

391
00:15:40,150 --> 00:15:37,440
down now since then you know very

392
00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:40,160
short soon after he passed on and i

393
00:15:44,550 --> 00:15:41,120
haven't heard

394
00:15:46,629 --> 00:15:44,560
anything about this afterwards so

395
00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:46,639
i don't know if he got it and it never

396
00:15:53,110 --> 00:15:49,759
got out if it's still in his

397
00:15:56,629 --> 00:15:53,120
collection or paperwork or if

398
00:15:59,829 --> 00:15:56,639
if he never got it in his hands or

399
00:16:01,990 --> 00:15:59,839
but that was the story he told me

400
00:16:03,829 --> 00:16:02,000
well that that's intriguing indeed i

401
00:16:04,470 --> 00:16:03,839
just thought of another synchronicity

402
00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:04,480
here

403
00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:07,519
the actual uh researcher who i think

404
00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:08,000
wrote

405
00:16:12,550 --> 00:16:10,720
the first article in modern time was a

406
00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:12,560
fellow that i knew by the name of hayden

407
00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:16,560
hughes and the the individual who wrote

408
00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:17,279
the article

409
00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:22,000
in 1897 his name was hayden as well

410
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:24,880
correct so and hey yeah yeah so you've

411
00:16:28,389 --> 00:16:25,920
got you've got two

412
00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:28,399
now if they were related and the

413
00:16:32,069 --> 00:16:30,800
proctors were related

414
00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:32,079
i don't know what that would prove it

415
00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:34,240
would be approved like i've always said

416
00:16:37,749 --> 00:16:34,800
that we're

417
00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:37,759
living in a computer simulation or the

418
00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:40,000
matrix or something really really

419
00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:42,800
bizarre is going on here but something

420
00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:44,000
like that would probably

421
00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:46,720
be we'd have to find somebody who was

422
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:48,000
into

423
00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:50,160
doing research along that line which is

424
00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:51,199
not quite my

425
00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:52,959
uh cup of tea but it's it's certainly

426
00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:54,560
worth the uh

427
00:17:00,470 --> 00:16:58,000
getting into so now the uh the um

428
00:17:01,189 --> 00:17:00,480
uh the corpse of the dead little alien

429
00:17:03,910 --> 00:17:01,199
uh

430
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:03,920
was put into the cemetery in fact in our

431
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:05,120
book there is a

432
00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:08,160
photographs a photograph of you standing

433
00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:09,199
next to

434
00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:11,919
what i believe is an impromptu grave

435
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:14,480
it's not the original but it must be one

436
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:16,799
uh i don't know whether you set it up or

437
00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:17,839
or tourists

438
00:17:23,429 --> 00:17:20,160
did and you're standing right next to it

439
00:17:27,029 --> 00:17:23,439
what happened to the original tombstone

440
00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:27,039
the original tombstone from 1897

441
00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:30,000
uh was a very inexpensive because the

442
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:31,600
you know the town was broken nobody had

443
00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:32,640
any money so they

444
00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:34,160
nobody's gonna spend any money on

445
00:17:39,190 --> 00:17:36,000
gravestone for this

446
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:39,200
this thing um it was a very thin

447
00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:43,039
very cheap uh stone but it was

448
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:46,160
a stone and uh on it

449
00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:49,360
they had carved uh a depiction

450
00:17:54,630 --> 00:17:53,440
of what his craft looked like uh a cigar

451
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:54,640
[\h__\h] you know i

452
00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:58,160
i i i hesitate to use this cigar

453
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:01,280
shape but anyway uh his craft

454
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:05,039
with two light round

455
00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:07,760
porthole type lights in it uh a

456
00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:10,160
depiction of what he crashed in

457
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:12,960
the original stone uh and there's a

458
00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:13,679
photograph

459
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:16,799
of it in yeah uh in the in the mid to

460
00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:17,120
late

461
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:21,520
50s of a young man with uh you know 1957

462
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:24,640
attire on kneeling beside it at that

463
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:25,679
time

464
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:28,799
uh since 1897 it had deteriorated so

465
00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:29,760
much

466
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:32,240
about that hat yeah that about half of

467
00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:33,280
the stone

468
00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:36,480
had literally uh eroded away so that

469
00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:39,200
only half of it was left at the time

470
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:42,320
um in 1973 when upi

471
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:45,039
picked up the story and uh all the hoop

472
00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:47,200
law started and everybody went out there

473
00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:47,679
and

474
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:52,559
everything someone stole that

475
00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:55,120
uh original stone in the in the middle

476
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:56,320
of the night

477
00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:00,720
uh-huh so after the thing settled down

478
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:03,919
uh the the aurora the city of aurora

479
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:05,039
made another one

480
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:08,160
sort of a duplicate of that and it was

481
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:08,960
there until

482
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:12,720
i think 2006 or seven and it was stole

483
00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:15,840
as well yeah so yeah so

484
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:18,880
now they have that boulder they they

485
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:20,000
move that huge

486
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:23,280
boulder in there on top of the grave and

487
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:24,480
uh

488
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:26,720
i and like you said since i've been on

489
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:28,080
your show the last time

490
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:30,480
i was lucky enough to visit there a

491
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:33,200
couple years ago

492
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:36,559
and people from all over the country

493
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:37,520
stopped

494
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:41,039
oh yeah and visit and leave

495
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:44,080
little trinkets on it uh little alien

496
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:47,360
trinkets or coins or stuff uh

497
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:50,960
so he is far from forgotten

498
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:52,559
you know it's interesting we talked

499
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:54,640
about the uh the craft uh

500
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:58,240
hitting um judge proctor's uh a windmill

501
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:58,559
but

502
00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:00,320
there have been over the uh over the

503
00:20:05,669 --> 00:20:02,400
years uh a number of cases

504
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:05,679
uh involving ufos and accidents

505
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:08,960
with the windmills crashing into them

506
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:10,720
and more recently since we don't have

507
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:12,640
that many uh windmills we have wind

508
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:13,840
turbines

509
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:16,799
which is the modern day version of a

510
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:17,679
windmill

511
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:20,559
and we've got any number of cases uh i

512
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:22,799
think one or two here in the u.s but

513
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,919
uh mainly in england where something or

514
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:27,840
other crashed into one of the

515
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:30,640
turbine blades and turned it into a

516
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:31,600
pretzel

517
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:35,280
uh in fact the case made the front page

518
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:38,720
of the um one of the british tabloids

519
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:40,080
the sun i think it is

520
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,880
and uh uh i've even seen a couple of

521
00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:44,320
clips from the uh

522
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,799
for the uk you know that we're on i

523
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,159
guess we're on youtube now but

524
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:49,840
originally were broadcast at one of the

525
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,559
stations

526
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:52,640
uh there and and there were ufo

527
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:54,320
sightings involved i mean it wasn't just

528
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:55,280
that uh

529
00:21:02,149 --> 00:20:58,720
uh you know uh something hit the um

530
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,159
the wind turbine but uh people had seen

531
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,159
strange objects in the sky now

532
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,000
the skeptics were saying oh it was just

533
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:08,159
the fireworks display but the people

534
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:15,669
suggested uh otherwise did you ever come

535
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:16,159
across

536
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:17,840
any other cases in your own

537
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:19,840
investigation

538
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:23,600
no no uh i i i heard

539
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:26,880
basically what you just said but uh i

540
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:29,280
but you know other ones that i could

541
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:30,000
bring up i

542
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,720
don't i've never heard of anymore uh it

543
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:34,000
does seem like that

544
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,640
several have been crashed into over the

545
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:38,240
over the

546
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:41,440
last year i guess they're

547
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,400
they're big and tall and maybe the

548
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,640
aliens don't know what they are or or

549
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,080
maybe they're trying to

550
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:50,000
to suck some sort of energy out of it

551
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,120
although i wouldn't think that a

552
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,120
windmill or a turbine would have

553
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:55,840
that much uh energy with there's a new

554
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:58,080
movie out about ufos and volcanoes

555
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:00,640
the ufos are seen going into these you

556
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:03,280
know volcanoes during eruption time

557
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,720
and that would seem to have a heck of a

558
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:07,200
lot more energy involved in it

559
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:10,720
than a uh than a a wind mill or a wind a

560
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:11,440
turbine

561
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:15,440
of wood um anybody ever interview

562
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:19,520
the judge himself um

563
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:21,679
he was out of town the judge was out of

564
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:23,600
town when this happened

565
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,120
and he only got back a day or two after

566
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:29,039
all this was over with they i think they

567
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:30,240
had already

568
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,070
and um oh okay so whether

569
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:40,400
how many witnesses were actually you say

570
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,440
bury the uh

571
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:44,159
the alien and there's a a woodcutter too

572
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,919
in the in the book it shows that the

573
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:47,280
town folks or

574
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:50,400
whoever might be in the illustration uh

575
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:50,880
with the

576
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,080
the coffin were any other witnesses

577
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,559
ever mentioned did you do any research

578
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:58,080
into that trying to

579
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:01,440
collaborate it well the newspaper uh

580
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,240
reported at the time that people from

581
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:06,640
all over the area had were gathering in

582
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:07,520
aurora

583
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:10,640
to see the craft with the remains of the

584
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:11,200
craft

585
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,640
and the fallen alien or a frog or

586
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,480
fallen traveler however you want to

587
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,240
describe him because they didn't

588
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,320
they didn't have the word alien to use

589
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,000
at that time

590
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:24,320
but i wouldn't guess not no all right

591
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,520
gentlemen

592
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:28,159
because we have to go to our bottom of

593
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,039
the hour break

594
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:31,280
when we come back we will continue our

595
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:32,320
conversation

596
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:36,080
about the aurora texas ufo crash

597
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,799
stay tuned for more welcome back to

598
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,720
exploring the bazaar i'm tim schwartz

599
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:42,080
tonight our guest

600
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,440
is carrie trent haggard

601
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:47,520
and he is the author of the novel

602
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:48,480
traveler

603
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,679
uh which is based on the aurora texas

604
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:52,799
ufo crash

605
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:56,640
of 1897. and of course uh

606
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,640
uh uh kerry is featured in a section of

607
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:03,120
our new book alien lives matter it's

608
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,000
okay to be

609
00:24:08,029 --> 00:24:06,960
gray now on sale at your favorite

610
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:08,039
bookstore

611
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:11,760
amazon.com so uh carrie

612
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:15,120
um i'm i'm interested in there's a it in

613
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:16,320
your bio that

614
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,000
that i read at the beginning of the show

615
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:20,240
uh you mentioned

616
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:23,360
your own ufo experience uh where you

617
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:24,400
said that you saw

618
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,600
a a ufo land uh uh

619
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,520
in in your hometown why don't you tell

620
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,080
us a little bit about that

621
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:35,760
you know that was uh the the most uh

622
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:38,880
prevalent memory of my childhood uh

623
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,520
i'll never forget it as long as i live

624
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,720
my dad

625
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,400
he worked for the local police

626
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,640
department now this is a little town in

627
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:48,559
northeast georgia called commerce

628
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:51,440
georgia so it's in a little peanut town

629
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:54,480
uh and he worked for the local uh police

630
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:57,360
department which was more or less a uh

631
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:00,480
old renovated filling station

632
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,320
and this was 1973 during the

633
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:06,640
what they call the great wave of the

634
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,120
great ufo wave of 1973-74

635
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,159
and there had been ufo reports all

636
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:16,240
over the country but we had had a lot of

637
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:19,039
those in northeast georgia

638
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:22,320
it was really the talk and uh one night

639
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:23,520
he was on duty

640
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:26,880
and uh calls started

641
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:30,559
calls started coming in that a ufo

642
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:33,520
had landed at the medical center clinic

643
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:35,679
now the medical center clinic was a

644
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,400
a big building of doctors offices right

645
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,400
across the street from the hospital

646
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:43,039
just so happened my mom worked at the

647
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,960
medical center medical center clinic

648
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:46,880
she'd been nurse there for

649
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:50,640
10 or 15 years so uh

650
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,760
we went tearing off over there and as we

651
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:55,039
got there there was

652
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:58,159
uh one police car and uh

653
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,360
a fire truck and three or four other

654
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,440
people that had probably heard the same

655
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:05,919
thing on their police band radio

656
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,159
um and the there was no ufo

657
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:13,200
but in the corner of the parking lot

658
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:17,039
there was a huge smoking

659
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:21,679
circle uh the uh that's probably 30 feet

660
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:25,760
around and it we all walked up

661
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:28,799
and looked at it and saw it and there

662
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,440
were molten drops of metal that looked

663
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:33,760
like silver or lead

664
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,400
all the way around and the pavement was

665
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:37,679
red-hot

666
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:40,799
and it literally burned hole in the

667
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:41,600
asphalt

668
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,039
parking lot so um you know i

669
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,159
that to me was about as much

670
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,240
proof as you could ever get without

671
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,200
actually seeing the thing

672
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:56,080
land or take off or sitting there

673
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:57,520
because in the short time

674
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,240
that these people had called in saying

675
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:02,480
that this

676
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:06,559
flying saucer had landed that uh we got

677
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,120
over there

678
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:09,120
then it had took you know landed and

679
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:10,640
then took off again

680
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:13,840
and uh just as a footnote to that uh

681
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,559
the next day half the town was over

682
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:18,080
there looking at that because you know

683
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,679
little town rumors really get

684
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:21,919
really really start flying people hear

685
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,960
all about it

686
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,279
and in the middle of the night on sunday

687
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:26,799
night no less

688
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:30,399
uh that whole

689
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,159
parking lot was repaved so

690
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:36,559
that entire section where all this

691
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,520
happened and

692
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:39,600
all the traffic was going over to take a

693
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:40,880
look at it was

694
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,600
repaved and covered up so it was you

695
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,200
know it was only

696
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:47,600
available to see there for a very short

697
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:48,720
time before

698
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:52,159
whoever ordered that parking lot repaid

699
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,520
and in the middle of the night like i

700
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,360
said it was like the next morning

701
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:57,120
people were going to work and looking

702
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:58,559
over there and the parking lots were

703
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,080
re-assaulted that was going to be my

704
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:03,760
second question how long did it take him

705
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:04,080
to

706
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,559
about three days about

707
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,440
three days and and a crew had moved in

708
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,000
there on sunday night

709
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:18,320
and by the next morning it was done and

710
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,190
well you know that i mean that's that's

711
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:25,840
around the same time period of the uh

712
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:30,080
famous uh pascagoula ufo case

713
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,919
uh that uh yeah hey hey you know

714
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:36,480
you you remember they also did that in

715
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:36,960
the

716
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:49,440
down in virginia

717
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:51,679
where this uh thing had left a uh a

718
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,480
circular

719
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,480
mark um on the uh i was going to say

720
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:56,640
highway but it probably a side road

721
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,320
and they came and and paved it now

722
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,240
you mean to tell tell me that the the

723
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:04,320
roads department is in collusion with

724
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,120
the uh

725
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,679
uh the military that's kind of hard to

726
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,960
swallow but i guess

727
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,880
they have their own road crew that comes

728
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:12,000
out in the middle of the night

729
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:15,039
with entire everything down i guess i

730
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:15,520
don't know

731
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:19,520
very strange right well you know what

732
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:22,159
go ahead i was going to say you know i

733
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,679
was just going

734
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:25,600
you get the military call up some

735
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:27,279
asphalting company

736
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,120
and say uh you know it doesn't matter

737
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,200
what it costs you're going to be there

738
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,960
at this time and you're going to do this

739
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:34,640
job from from

740
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,710
yeah exactly and plus if uh the case in

741
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,399
your town if that happened in

742
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,039
you know like a private parking lot it

743
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:49,039
could very well been you know the the

744
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:52,080
the owners just tired of people coming

745
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,919
around you know blocking everything and

746
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:55,279
looking at it and just like you know

747
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:55,919
let's just

748
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,909
possibly but that whole facility was

749
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:03,520
owned by the hospital

750
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,960
so um you know i i never heard that

751
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,799
mention before i guess it is a

752
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:13,039
possibility but

753
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,039
nobody ever come out and said well the

754
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:17,039
hospital had it done to quieten things

755
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:17,760
down

756
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:20,399
now the hospital was getting more uh

757
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:20,799
more

758
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:22,720
advertising from that and they've got a

759
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:29,269
come to have your appendix out and look

760
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:30,240
at the

761
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:37,909
just as a footnote uh in the

762
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,039
in the ufo annals

763
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,440
there was a uh another sighting in

764
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,200
danielsville georgia

765
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,200
at almost exactly the same time well

766
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,679
danielsville georgia is 20 miles

767
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,520
from commerce so it was during that

768
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:52,960
exact same time

769
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,240
that uh some people claimed that a ufo

770
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,480
landed in the middle of the road

771
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,880
uh was when this happened so it was

772
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:03,360
there have been a lot of reports

773
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:08,159
going on in our area during that time

774
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,269
there there was a lot of activity

775
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:17,279
especially

776
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:20,320
down south you know florida georgia you

777
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:21,440
know mississippi

778
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:24,880
uh tennessee places places like that

779
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:27,760
so so yeah that's uh that's really

780
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:28,640
interesting

781
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:32,559
but um now let's talk about your friend

782
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:35,519
uh john cochran now he was the one who

783
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:35,919
uh

784
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:39,840
crash

785
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,919
yeah he he told me about it i've never

786
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,000
heard about it before and uh

787
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,279
and uh you know he's uh he was an outlaw

788
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,880
biker for

789
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,039
uh most of his youth so he had some

790
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:53,120
really good stories to tell and

791
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,039
i wanted to incorporate them into

792
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:56,960
something that i was doing and when

793
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:59,120
he told me about this aurora thing he

794
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:00,399
just all sort of fell

795
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:04,240
together so the book is uh

796
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:07,919
um uh is it is not only a uh

797
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:11,279
a novel but it's a very historically

798
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,000
accurate

799
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,480
telling of the ros of the roswell of the

800
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,000
aurora crash

801
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,200
but with a twist you know it is a novel

802
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:22,240
so uh the ending of it is certainly not

803
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,279
what happened in real life and in in the

804
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,600
situation that there is today

805
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,600
but i did want to make an entertaining

806
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:31,679
story because the whole idea was

807
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:34,159
a uh was a screenplay and i had a hell

808
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,760
of a good screenplay

809
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,519
written for it if i could ever find the

810
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:40,000
right person to pick it up and run with

811
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:40,559
it

812
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:44,720
pretty

813
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:50,000
has anybody expressed any kind of

814
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,679
interest at all and uh

815
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,360
uh taking an option out on the

816
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,120
screenplay no

817
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:57,120
not yet i'm still looking so uh

818
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,720
hopefully somebody out there will hear

819
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:00,480
it and say oh i want to read that

820
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:03,840
so you know i'd be more than glad to uh

821
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:06,320
let them smoke it over and see what they

822
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,279
think

823
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:10,080
well it's a it's a great story and and i

824
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,600
agree with you i mean that's that would

825
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,880
be something that would that would

826
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:14,559
really make a uh

827
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:17,679
uh a fantastic movie

828
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,399
yeah that was the whole idea the novel

829
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:22,000
was sort of a second thought

830
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:24,000
because after i had the screenplay

831
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,360
written then a few people read it

832
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:26,799
they're like oh my god you got to

833
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:29,200
you have to expand this a little bit and

834
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:30,000
uh and

835
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,279
of course a little bit turned into

836
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:33,519
another year uh and

837
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:36,159
and and uh put this into a book and so

838
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,039
that's that's

839
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,360
how it all came about well and what's

840
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:41,279
the what's been the reaction

841
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,039
uh to the novel because you know i think

842
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,039
when we had you on the first time

843
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:47,360
you had just uh uh you just put in it

844
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,559
put it out

845
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,640
so you know now that some time has

846
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:52,159
passed has uh

847
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,519
have you gotten a lot of good response

848
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,080
for it well it's been a slow

849
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,559
seller as a matter of fact uh flying

850
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,200
this press over in england that

851
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:03,279
published it originally has moved on to

852
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:04,720
other things and so

853
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:08,159
it's back in my hands now uh i'm looking

854
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:08,560
for

855
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,079
a new publisher that will take it and uh

856
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:15,280
do the uh the just deserve to it that it

857
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:15,760
needs

858
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:18,480
so uh again anybody out there i'll tell

859
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:18,800
you

860
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,000
might be interested in

861
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,800
okay all right well good enough man

862
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:26,240
that's good i'd be more than glad to

863
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:27,599
send them a copy and let them run with

864
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:28,079
it

865
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:32,720
in my hands and uh

866
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:34,639
i would like to do it like i said the

867
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,919
the this time

868
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,399
the way it uh the way it really deserves

869
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:40,639
to be done and get it some publicity and

870
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,119
get it rolling

871
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:45,760
all right well it's uh let's hope that

872
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,480
uh

873
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:49,919
that that can happen for you um so

874
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:53,280
getting back to the actual um

875
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:59,510
the research that you have done about

876
00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:00,079
this

877
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:01,920
and and i know that uh you know

878
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,560
considering where this happened in texas

879
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:06,800
when it happened in texas you know the

880
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:07,680
the

881
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:10,720
information really is is

882
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,839
difficult to to to come by

883
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:16,880
uh has

884
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:19,920
was there any indication when you were

885
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:21,280
doing the research

886
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:24,320
on on the reaction of

887
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,280
uh the the townspeople the the the

888
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:29,119
people who discovered this because i

889
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:29,599
mean

890
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:32,320
you know nowadays if something like that

891
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:33,440
would happen

892
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,560
i mean we've all grown up with the idea

893
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:39,119
of of the possibility i mean very good

894
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,960
possibility of

895
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:43,119
people from other planets in outer space

896
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,160
and

897
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:47,280
things like that but in 1897

898
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,760
you know the the idea was being kicked

899
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:51,280
around at the time that there could be

900
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:51,680
life

901
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:54,880
on mars but that still was pretty

902
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,480
far out there i mean do you do you

903
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:01,440
think that that was the first thing that

904
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:02,320
came to people

905
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:05,280
people's mind when they came across this

906
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:06,400
that you know this is

907
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,079
this is you know like a little man from

908
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:09,920
mars or or

909
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:13,119
or what well that's exactly what came

910
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,640
across their mind because it was

911
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:16,560
actually written in the newspaper

912
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,079
that the inhabitant it was the uh the uh

913
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:22,079
the the fallen traveler was an

914
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,599
inhabitant of the planet

915
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:26,079
mars well now at the time they they

916
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,599
didn't realize that there was a whole

917
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,599
lot more out there than mars

918
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:32,160
and survivors from the time that were

919
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:33,040
children

920
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,400
uh were interviewed in the 70s during

921
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,640
all this when it uh when it was all

922
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:40,400
fired up and uh

923
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:43,680
they described that uh that

924
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,400
uh they knew that it was a uh and they

925
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,920
of course they didn't have the

926
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,920
the verbiage at that time but that it

927
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,599
was an extraterrestrial

928
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,920
that had lost control and crashed and

929
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:55,920
they buried him in the cemetery and that

930
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:56,560
it was

931
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:01,440
decades and decades

932
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:04,720
um but you know

933
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,240
that was a time when uh you know

934
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:10,320
information traveled by horseback and

935
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:11,599
newspaper

936
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,960
so uh you know it only got so far

937
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,960
and then it just sort of the only people

938
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:18,400
that remembered it were

939
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:22,079
the people in the town

940
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:25,839
so now how have you run across

941
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:29,280
any um any stories of of

942
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:32,240
your ufo activity that was taken place

943
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,640
uh

944
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,880
at that same time around you know in

945
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,079
texas or

946
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:39,359
or nearby areas oh there was tons of

947
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:40,960
reports in the newspapers

948
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:44,800
of ufo activity in 19 in 1897 yeah

949
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:47,680
really it was it was just it was another

950
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:48,000
way

951
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,599
just like 1973. in uh in the weeks

952
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,480
before the aurora crash

953
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:57,359
they reported i think 18 different

954
00:38:02,470 --> 00:37:58,480
counties

955
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,480
in north texas had reported uh sightings

956
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:04,640
in the skies of strange objects with

957
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:06,079
blinking lights

958
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:09,839
with small passengers on board

959
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:12,079
that was very common knowledge in the

960
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:13,760
newspapers at that time and

961
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,200
like i said in 18 different counties

962
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:19,680
hmm now that's that's religious and this

963
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:20,320
was

964
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,560
evening news so you didn't see that and

965
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:28,720
go out and make up a story about it

966
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:31,839
uh this was a time that uh people didn't

967
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:33,920
they didn't do that so they really did

968
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,119
see these things

969
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:37,599
across the country and all the stories

970
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:38,960
sort of lined up

971
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,440
with one another they had no way of

972
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:43,440
knowing what was going on three counties

973
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,920
over

974
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:45,599
so to for them to come up with the same

975
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:47,119
story uh

976
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,589
what's the coincidence they all made it

977
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:55,760
up at the same time

978
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:58,640
well i know that uh here in indiana

979
00:39:03,510 --> 00:38:59,599
where i live

980
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:03,520
that there were numerous

981
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:06,720
airship sightings reported in newspapers

982
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:09,760
in 1897. it it was

983
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:12,960
it was very big news throughout the

984
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:13,440
state

985
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:16,560
uh so um it uh

986
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:19,280
though a lot of the uh alleged sightings

987
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:20,640
that took place uh

988
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:24,160
here in the midwest they reported uh

989
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:27,440
seeing people who look human i mean you

990
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:27,760
know

991
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:30,720
some of these uh airships would land and

992
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,119
the

993
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,760
uh occupants would get out dressed in

994
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:35,839
you know the

995
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,800
clothing of that era a lot of times

996
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,960
usually asking for water or food or

997
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:42,560
things like that and you know

998
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,079
telling stories that they were on their

999
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,000
way to

1000
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,079
cuba or mexico or something like you

1001
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,079
know places like that

1002
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,960
so uh so yeah i mean it's uh this this

1003
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:54,240
was something that was

1004
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,599
uh it wasn't just located in in texas

1005
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:59,440
but it had spread all across the united

1006
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:00,560
states

1007
00:40:08,829 --> 00:40:05,200
right 1896 1897 ufo reports were hot

1008
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:08,839
all across the country just like 1973

1009
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,760
1974 the reports weren't just in georgia

1010
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:12,880
and florida they were

1011
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:15,200
everywhere they were across they were

1012
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:22,829
so now years later

1013
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,839
um when

1014
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:27,760
the information got out that something

1015
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:28,960
had happened there

1016
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:32,720
in aurora was was there an effort

1017
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:36,400
made to try to uh

1018
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,440
dig this poor little guy up uh from from

1019
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,280
the cemetery

1020
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,680
well that was uh part of the deal in the

1021
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,680
in 1973 when

1022
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:47,839
when all the uh all the craziness

1023
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:49,040
started people were

1024
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,720
ufo hunters were going out there with

1025
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,560
picks and shovels and determined to dig

1026
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:54,400
him up and trying to get permits and all

1027
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,359
this and

1028
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,680
and uh they put armed guards out there

1029
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:59,599
to stop him from that so no

1030
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:02,079
he uh you know there's there's varying

1031
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:02,800
reports

1032
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:06,000
he was dug up he wasn't dug up uh

1033
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:09,839
the uh the the the the bottom line is

1034
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,359
i believe from all that i've researched

1035
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,200
and all the people i've talked to and

1036
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:17,680
i've talked to people that uh actually

1037
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,480
are on the

1038
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:21,680
aurora city council today and

1039
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:25,280
he he is still there in that grave

1040
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,319
under that boulder uh because

1041
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,560
they've done sound penetrating radar

1042
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:32,720
that show a small

1043
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:36,640
being badly decomposed about

1044
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:39,760
five feet beneath the surface uh

1045
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,790
so uh was when was the boulder

1046
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,280
rolled over on top of the grave the

1047
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:51,119
boulder was put there about three years

1048
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,599
ago

1049
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:53,920
you know they decided they decided okay

1050
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:56,480
if we if we cut another fancy stone with

1051
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,800
an engraving of a spaceship on it

1052
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,640
somebody's gonna steal it and take it

1053
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,000
home and have a little

1054
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,880
trophy and you know which is which is

1055
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,319
sad but true

1056
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,480
uh so they put the boulder there they

1057
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:10,319
figured well one you can't pick it up

1058
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,680
and tote it out because we had to bring

1059
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:12,640
it in with a

1060
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:15,599
you know piece of machinery and uh two

1061
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:16,079
it

1062
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:21,040
logical thing to do

1063
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,560
uh you know somebody somewhere has the

1064
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:26,720
original 1897

1065
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:30,400
stone uh you can bet somebody has that

1066
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,720
on

1067
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:33,520
in their trophy case from uh when it was

1068
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:35,200
stolen in the 70s and

1069
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:38,079
it has never surfaced to this day yeah

1070
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,880
that's that's

1071
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,560
that's really a shame i yeah and i

1072
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,160
remember seeing a photograph

1073
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,960
you know back in the 70s of that uh of

1074
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,160
that gravestone

1075
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,160
i probably still still have it somewhere

1076
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,119
in my files you know here

1077
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:54,160
so who knows where it is but uh well you

1078
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:54,400
know

1079
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:58,480
the people who live there

1080
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:01,599
in aurora would uh would be pretty upset

1081
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:05,440
with uh uh all the people trying to get

1082
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,000
access

1083
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,319
to that cemetery because i mean you know

1084
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:09,920
it's a

1085
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:12,720
there are a lot of families buried there

1086
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,440
yeah right

1087
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,520
you know you got you got yabbos running

1088
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,680
around with shovels and picks trying to

1089
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:20,160
dig things up so so yeah i don't blame

1090
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,280
them for doing what

1091
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,440
you know what they did they've been

1092
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:25,119
burying their kin folks in there for

1093
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:26,000
over a hundred years

1094
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,440
they don't want nobody out there digging

1095
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,119
in that graveyard

1096
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:31,440
and i've been to the graveyard it's it's

1097
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:34,079
it's it's a pretty good sized graveyard

1098
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:35,680
for such a small area

1099
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:38,400
because aurora is is there is nothing

1100
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:39,119
there

1101
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:45,440
uh but they and and i but i will give

1102
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,079
them credit

1103
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:48,319
they uh you know for years and years

1104
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:50,240
they sort of put food the whole thing

1105
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,000
well we don't want to talk about it

1106
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,960
uh but nowadays uh they have a nice

1107
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:55,680
little

1108
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:58,400
memorial uh built right on the side of

1109
00:44:02,470 --> 00:43:59,359
the road

1110
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,480
uh with a little ufo and a windmill and

1111
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:04,319
that kind of thing this it's like a park

1112
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,760
you can stop there and

1113
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:08,240
and look around and all and then uh you

1114
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:08,880
know they

1115
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:12,240
before the covid started uh they had uh

1116
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,079
started doing a little festival every

1117
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,920
year where they had you know a

1118
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,599
little bit of activity a little bit of

1119
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:20,000
something to commemorate

1120
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:23,680
uh the event

1121
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:26,319
well it's kerry it's a fascinating story

1122
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:26,720
and

1123
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:29,280
uh uh you know i've uh uh i have a copy

1124
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,079
of your book

1125
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:32,319
and really enjoy it so so hopefully you

1126
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:33,359
know uh

1127
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,400
we can uh help you find a a new

1128
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:38,720
publisher and uh other people can

1129
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,920
enjoy it as well so uh in in the time

1130
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,520
that we have left really quick

1131
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:45,359
uh is do you have a website or anything

1132
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,960
that people can uh

1133
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,640
look you up and find out more

1134
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,960
information about all this

1135
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,720
well there's a there's i i do have a

1136
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,160
facebook page

1137
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,200
uh strictly for the novel and the story

1138
00:45:00,630 --> 00:45:00,000
uh and it is of course called traveler

1139
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:00,640
uh

1140
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:11,119
a couple dozen people a week like it

1141
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,800
and look at it and also anybody wants to

1142
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:16,160
go there they can see

1143
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,839
some of the some of the illustrations

1144
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,200
from the novel and

1145
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:21,200
and hear about it and can contact me

1146
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,480
through there

1147
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:24,880
all right fantastic and uh and that

1148
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:25,599
that's that's

1149
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,640
easily found uh uh just let everybody

1150
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,480
know out there it's easily found using

1151
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:32,480
google uh because uh

1152
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,079
uh i i found her out right away carrie

1153
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:38,720
so it's uh very easy oh yeah and uh

1154
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:41,920
it's easy yeah okay and uh uh tim

1155
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:42,480
beckley

1156
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:45,520
uh real quick alien lives matter

1157
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,240
yeah just out this week aliens my lives

1158
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,240
matter it's okay to be gray

1159
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,560
and uh you're working on one now that

1160
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:54,880
you're almost done with to solve

1161
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:58,240
mysteries of time space

1162
00:46:01,370 --> 00:46:01,040
ufos time space and well what the hell

1163
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:01,380
do they

1164
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:04,800
[Laughter]

1165
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:08,240
solve the mystery of space time

1166
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,319
and ufos i knew it i knew it all along

1167
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,040
and and don't forget our youtube channel

1168
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:16,800
mr ufo

1169
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:22,160
catching up slowly but surely

1170
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,280
thanks to michelle who is putting a

1171
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:28,319
great effort into uh posting our shows

1172
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:29,280
and adding

1173
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:32,480
a little bit of drama uh

1174
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:36,000
to them and don't forget to come back

1175
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:36,960
every

1176
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:41,359
week here at kcorradio.com

1177
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:44,000
and our shows are archived as well and

1178
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,680
they're free free free

1179
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,280
and we've probably got about 400

1180
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,920
interviews so just get to it

1181
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,839
and enjoy the show and tell everybody

1182
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:53,680
about it

1183
00:47:05,349 --> 00:46:56,640
all right thanks gary appreciate it oh

1184
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:07,510
you've been listening to exploring the

1185
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:08,800
bazaar

1186
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:11,520
with hosts timothy beckley and tim

1187
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,119
schwartz

1188
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,200
they're taking back the night by jetting

1189
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,520
non-stop across the cosmos

1190
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,599
in search of the truly bizarre and

1191
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:21,359
totally unexplained

1192
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:24,720
with you as their coalition thursday

1193
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:27,200
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1194
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:30,400
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1195
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:33,040
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1196
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:35,920
information on exploring the bazaar

1197
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,079
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1198
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,880
schwartz check out their kcor digital

1199
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:42,960
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1200
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:46,160
follow their youtube channel at mr